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Dear lazywebs,

Can anyone read this?

From Drop Box


It's inscribed on a signet ring that I bought in Jerusalem (this drawing is, of course, a mirror image of what's on the ring, since the writing in signet rings is always backwards - this is how it should the actual stamp should look). The vendor claimed it didn't actually say anything, but someone else who saw it said it did but that they didn't read Arabic well enough to read it. I am guessing it's just someone's name, or initials, but it would be cool to know.

(apologies if the letters are messed up somewhat - I couldn't get a good, clear photo of the actual stamp, so I had to copy it freehand)

edit: here's the actual ring, mirror-flipped in photoshop thanks to [livejournal.com profile] greyling!

From Israel 2009 #2

Date: 2009-04-25 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allandaros.livejournal.com
I can ask my dad to take a look; I can get haltingly through Arabic, but not in such a stylized fashion.

Date: 2009-04-25 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flukycoda.livejournal.com
hmm, if that's really arabic calligraphy it's pretty crappily written.

Date: 2009-04-25 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com
I copied it freehand, then tried to smooth it on the computer; it was impossible to copy the whole thing.

Date: 2009-04-25 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com
there's also a significant possibility it isn't even writing - the person I bought it from could arguably have been saying that it was just marks made to look like arabic, or letters that don't spell anything. It's a signet ring, so it could have easily been just someone's initials, or even just marks written by an illiterate person who didn't know the difference between letters and other things that looked like letters.

Date: 2009-04-26 03:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flukycoda.livejournal.com
i'm pretty sure the first letter (reading right to left & it looks like an umbrella handle) is pronounced "naa" and the other thing halfway that also looks like an umbrella handle might be the sound for "l" unless the dot above it is connected to it (rather than to the letter following it), in which case it's an "n" sound.

sorry, this isn't very helpful. i should add that i don't know arabic but urdu - the script, however, is essentially the same. even though stylistically, urdu is written more like farsi, not arabic.

Date: 2009-04-26 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com
Thanks though! At least I know now that it most likely is lettering, not random marks made to look like lettering. It may be just initials, or a name.

Date: 2009-04-25 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greyling.livejournal.com
It may be easier to take a picture of the ring itself and reverse it in photoshop (or paint, whatever)?

Date: 2009-04-25 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com
I can't figure out how to invert it! Here's the picture though:

signet ring

Date: 2009-04-26 12:31 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Get some sealing wax, melt a small amount of the wax and make an impression of your ring you will have a "positive image" and then it might be easier to read.

just a suggestion

Re: signet ring

Date: 2009-04-26 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com
I already did that. The positive image is very shallow and difficult to photograph.

Date: 2009-04-25 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sildra.livejournal.com
Are you sure it's Arabic? If you rotate it counterclockwise by 135 degrees and assume it's Hebrew, you get lamed dalet bet? hey. Not sure what that would spell, though--my Hebrew is very, very limited.

Date: 2009-04-25 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com
it sure doesn't look like Hebrew, and it's supposedly Bedouin in origin?

Date: 2009-06-14 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j-brisby.livejournal.com
"My other ring is a diamond?"

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